Countering The Arguments Against

A response to the "Keep Parking Free" arguments

Yet another flyer has been circulated by Keep Parking Free -- as usual, it is filled with misinformation.

"You would not get your own space" ... of course not -- nobody does now. However, the parking scheme will make more spaces available to residents -- that's the whole point of the scheme.
"There would be absolutely no guarantee of finding a space... there would be fewer spaces than now" Our survey has revealed that 30-40% of spaces on many streets are taken up by commuters. This scheme is designed to increase the number of spaces available to residents. We have worked with the council to ensure that yellow lining is kept to the minimum required to ensure safe access for emergency vehicles. Suppose it was your sick child they could not get to..........
"... in some streets as many as four permits per space could be issued." This is complete nonsense -- they have no source for this.
"The cost for a two-car family will be over £200 per annum..." The total permit cost two cars is £110 with a further £50 for the second set of 50 visitor permits -- the KPF figure is complete fantasy.
"Bristol city council would make a multi-million pound profit." The council will NOT make a profit. It was undertaken long ago that the RPZ parking account will be separate and published. The Council has undertaken NOT to increase fees for at least 3 years. And then increase in line with inflation. Given the published accounts, if there is a surplus this could be longer.
"... pay-and-display, mostly at one pound per hour..." Pay-and-display in RPZ areas has NOT been set at one pound per hour. This is the city centre figure. RPZ will be lower.
"Pay-and-display bays would reduce the spaces available for residents..." Many pay-and-display spaces will be dual purpose and available to residents.
"Shops would suffer and could even close." What shops? This is a residential area. Parking zones for areas including shops are designed differently. The author has stopped using the shops in Clifton Village because he has to park illegally four times out of five.
"Your household would be allowed 100 visitor permits per year..." Research in other areas with residents parking has shown that this is adequate for the average family with children -- daytime visitors use pay-and-display, visitor permits are usually only necessary for longer term or overnight visitors. Contractors will have a separate arrangement with the council.

Who do you listen to?

KPF is promoted from Clifton Village, outside the proposed zones. They are concerned for themselves, not for the residents of this area. They have never at any time suggested solutions to the very real parking problems that we have.

Yes to RPZ, although independent, has a continuing policy of working with the council to improve the quality of the scheme and take care of residents concerns. We have already negotiated considerable improvements and will continue to do so once the scheme has been given the go-ahead.

... Some of the older assertions from KPF.

There would be fewer spaces. Streets would be 'tidied' and hundreds of spaces would be lost making parking, especially at night, more difficult.

Fewer spaces would mean parking spilling over into neighbouring streets, causing problems where none exist today.

Absolutely not so --

  • the whole exercise is designed to generate more parking spaces which are available to local residents.
  • the only lost spaces will be those lost to the safety double yellow lining which is going to be inevitable and completely separate from any RPZ
  • Parking at night will become easier because the spaces will be prioritised for local residents and not to residents of properties within walking distance that have no parking of their own.
  • This is a pilot scheme and if it doesn't work for local residents we can go back to what we have now (heaven forbid!).
House prices will drop as parking becomes more difficult. The whole point of the exercise is to make parking easier for local residents -- so on this theory, property prices will rise. If it doesn't do this, we can shelve it.

Residents, businesses and visitors would all have to pay to park or risk being towed away - adding extra costs in the worst economic situation for over 50 years.

Local businesses would suffer and maybe even close

Okay, let's look at this one.

Residents will have permits which are not expensive (£30 for the 1st car and £80 of the 2nd), businesses will have business permits and visitors will have adequate pay-and-display for short-term visits and visitors permits for longer term visits -- all of this seems a small price to pay compared with the current impossible situation.

The pilot schemes are in residential areas and areas with businesses and shops will be treated differently -- this is the point of looking at the problem from area to area.

In the meantime, people who are working from home in the Clifton Wood area are suffering now because customers and clients cannot park now -- parking being taken up by people who have no need for access to the area itself.
The Council may 'limit each household to one vehicle'. Even if that is OK for you now, what if your circumstances change?

This is a caveat and will probably only happen in extremely difficult areas. The rationing of permits will allow all residents an equal chance at a limited resource as opposed to this resource being taken up by cars from outside the area or by students (4, 5, 6 cars per household), who are within easy walking distance of university facilities and who have been advised by the university not to bring their cars.

We fully expect that the vast majority of households will be able to have 2 permits and that the one permit limitation will only be exercised in extremely limited areas.

Your household would be restricted to just 100 visitors' permits per year - for a family of four that's fewer than 2 visits each per month!

The majority of "visitors" are short-term and will be able to use the pay and display facilities which will be scattered throughout the area.

One of the reasons for this restriction is that in other areas with CPZ's who have been more generous with visitors permits, they have been sold on eBay to commuters.

Builders and other tradesmen would use up your permits. Even a simple building job could use a month's supply of visitor permits ... surely this is better than having builders unable to access your property at all.
A family wedding or funeral could use up all your visitor permits for a year!

... come on! If they are going to argue that parking places are going to be reduced, they can't argue that it would be possible to find 100 places at any one time.

And by the way, even if this were possible, wouldn't having 100 cars parked for a single event in the immediate neighbourhood, however good the cause, be a tad unneighbourly?

Top... ... and it goes on -- a constant supply of misinformation by people who have no interest in solving our current problems.

There would be absolutely no guarantee of finding a space. Your street may lose a few ‘commuters’ during the day but, if there are not enough spaces for residents now, there wouldn’t be enough with a residents’ parking scheme either

This is correct, there are no personal allocated spaces. However they seem to imply that the present situation where people have to walk miles to park is acceptable. This is certainly not what has been said at CHASE meetings, particularly in the case of Mothers during the day and single people at night. It can only hope to be improved by limiting access to the spaces in the area.

Controlled parking would significantly reduce the number of cars parked from outside the area, increasing the number of places available to residents.

If you cannot park near your home at the moment, at least you can park in any other street. If this scheme comes in and you can’t park in your own ‘zone’ (just a few streets) you would have to try to find a pay and display bay (maybe quite some distance away) or risk a fine or being towed away

The size of zones is NOT FIXED. This is up for further detailed local consultation. There are certain areas which naturally define themselves and some which do not.

More recently, the council, as a response to representations from local residents, has increased the size of zones to a minimum of 1000 households.

Many streets currently experience no significant parking problems. We would like to see the “MANY STREETS” in our area which do not have parking problems. Anyone care to nominate their street as having no problems?
If the scheme goes ahead you, and all your visitors, would have to pay to park for 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. This is also up for detailed local consultation. Some areas do not need 24/7, some probably do. The current proposals are from 8 AM to 9 PM Monday to Saturday with Sunday free all day.
If you drive to church, your GP surgery, the shops, a restaurant, or just to explore another part of the city, you would have to find a pay and display bay

It has already been agreed that places of worship and doctors surgeries will be looked at for special treatment.

As far as the shops are concerned, the 1st 15 minutes of the pay and display would be free and wouldn't it be great to be able to park legally close to the local shops -- not possible 5/6 times at present.

The council argues the scheme would not make a profit. See 'Making a profit' for further details but the figures are very questionable. We calculate a £ multi-million profit. And, given what has happened to parking charges in Bristol over the past few years, how long would it be before residents’ parking charges were hiked up?

The scheme is being funded separately and at a cost and we are advocating the publication of the figures to keep accountability.

The council has recently confirmed that the proposed scheme will be charged at cost and that furthermore, they will provide an open accounting system for those sceptics among us to check up on them.

If your household has a second car, the council says ‘you may not be able to park it on the street’. Even if that is OK for you now, what if your circumstances change?

Multiple cars in the inner city are unsustainable. The majority of houses can park one car outside so why is it acceptable to use up your neighbour’s space?

The price of fuel is already curtailing short car journeys and this will continue. There are city wide campaigns to improve public transport and support Community Transport and car clubs. These are the future with walking and cycling taking over from 5 minute car hops.

If you have a driveway, your entrance would be ‘protected’ by double yellow lines. But the council fails to explain that this means hundreds, maybe thousands, of parking spaces would be lost because people would not be allowed to park across their own driveway, or allow their visitors to do so

I would similarly like to see the “THOUSANDS” of driveways in our area.

This is a proposal that has been modified so that people will have a choice of an advisory "No Parking" white line.

Businesses would be charged £100 per car per year which we the customer, of course, would ultimately have to pay for. And pay and display parking would replace free parking for the ‘benefit of the area as a whole’. Do you agree with this? Or would shoppers be put off and go elsewhere, leaving us with empty shops?

Shops always think they will lose from controlling cars. All pedestrianisation schemes are opposed by retailers across the country. In all cases that go ahead retailers find that their turnover actually INCREASES, sometimes by multiples, as people prefer to shop where there are less cars, less hassle, less pollution.

In fact, most of the people who park close to our local shops are there all day and not using the shops, making it difficult for people who do want to use the shops.

Finally, do we really want more yellow lines, signs, traffic wardens, tow trucks etc? Not to mention the cost, just when people’s finances are already stretched?

A vote against is NOT a vote for “no change”. The yellow lining to ensure access for emergency vehicles will happen. The council must pay heed to the reports from the emergency services.

We have had several incidents in the last few months where life was put at risk because ambulances could not get close to the casualty. This will reduce the numbers that can be parked, albeit usually stupidly.

And, quite frankly, when compared to the cost of petrol, the prices are very small indeed.

In addition, as CHASE has been warning for some years, the pressures are increasing. Office buildings, student accommodation and flats buildings currently under construction or in planning, at Harbourside, Deanery Road and Clifton Triangle will between them add about 2,000 commuters on our doorstep. With about 100 car spaces. Does anyone seriously suppose they will all cycle?

Possibly after parking to unload the folding bike to get their “tick” at the office!! Following on after them will in due course be the rest of Harbourside flats and offices.

Do you really want no control of our streets in the face of this?

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